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WiseOne's Comments, "peace, peace, where there is no peace." I would not talk with ANYONE who was lobbing rockets into my backyard every day...matter of fact I would massacre those evil, hateful pricks!

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...And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. -- Zechariah 14:12




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If this was your backyard, you'd be living on stolen land, wouldn't you?

Let's go back in time some sixty years or so...
The British colonized much of the Middle East and then, after WWII were "gracious" enough to present the Zionists with a homeland on land that the British had no right to be on in the first place.
The Zionists then proceeded to kick most of the natives out and then treated those that were left to substandard, apartheid like conditions. In short, they have treated these Arabs who are the true owners of this land like animals.
Hateful? Who could blame 'em. Evil? Nope, they're just pissed- just like you or I would be if some bullies stole our "backyard".
I'd respectfully suggest that you read up on the truth about this region and not swallow the propaganda they fed us in school.
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Rex if you read up on your history then you would know that land belonged to the so called "Zionist" long before the Arabs ever arrived. the Romans and then the Rag Heads took land that was promised to Abraham and his people by God for their service to him.
Israel does the world a favor every time they mow down one of those Arabs!

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Amen Brother!!
ever notice how the Arabs like to splash pics all over the place of people killed by Israel but fail to show the pics of dead Israeli people killed by terrorist attacks?

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EXACTLY! That's what bugs me...every day rockets landing on their doorstep? I could not live like that! It would be one thing if they were targeting Israeli's military, but kids and innocents? Sheesh man. And, you're right, Smurf, that land DOES belong to Israel and so does the West Bank and Gaza! Sigh, what a freaking mess! This is a powder keg that WILL blow up eventually.

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...And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. -- Zechariah 14:12




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Whether one approves of or dislikes the beliefs and practices of Judaism it remains that Jews have a right to hold those beliefs and maintain those practices. No-one, however, Jewish or non-Jewish, has a right to drive out people from their homes on land where they and their forebears have been living for centuries, to deprive people of their human rights, to cripple their society and to damage the welfare of others by a parasitic subversion of the government of another country for base political purposes, which is what Zionists have done and continue to do.


A principal component of Zionism is racism, in the form of the belief held by Zionists that Jews constitute a race (or ethnic group or however they see themselves) superior to all others, and in particular to those, the Palestinians, who lived on the land that the Zionists stole from them in 1948 (under the pretext of the land having been given to them by the United Nations) and subsequently

Zionists claim that Jews have the right to possess all land between the Nile and the Euphrates because (they say) this land was given to them by some entity they call "YHWH" as claimed in the Old Testament (Genesis 15:18). But this would not be the first time that documents written by humans were used to justify land grabs. (And this "YHWH" appears, from accounts in the Old Testament, to be [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Political Forum Link. , vain, jealous, given to fits of rage and directing his followers to massacre civilian populations — an entity who, if he existed, would be quite unworthy of the devotion of anyone with a sense of justice and morality.)
Zionists also lay claim to Palestine because this was territory controlled by two Jewish mini-states, Judah and Samaria, until their destruction by the Romans in the 1st C. CE. To which may be replied: If Zionist claims to a Jewish "homeland" in Palestine, based on Jewish occupation of that area 2000 years ago, are accepted as valid then the claims of North American Indians to their former homeland (all of the United States) and the claims of Australian Aborigines to their former homeland (all of Australia) should also be accepted as valid, and those homelands returned. Not to mention the descendants of the inhabitants of countless mini-states which have risen and fallen over the course of thousands of years of human history. Jews have no more rights than anyone else.
Zionists are not content with having acquired a state of their own in Palestine, they also want this state to be for-Jews-only, thus the desire and intention to expel from Israeli-controlled territory all the indigenous inhabitants (a practice sometimes known as ethnic cleansing, a concept derived from the Nazi practice of "cleansing" areas of all Jews so that those areas are then Judenrein).

The effects of the dispossession of the Palestinians and other Arabs are with us to this day, in the shattered lives of the millions of people directly affected and also as a sign of the West's war against the entire Arab nation and Muslims everywhere. Arguably, the original sin of Zionism and its effects on the peoples of the Middle East were central to the motivation behind the events of 9/11, and the most important consequence of which is the ongoing "war on terrorism" that is smothering our political landscape.

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I hope that this may help clear up some of the confusion you seem to have concerning Zionism vs. Judaism. Contrary to the Israeli propaganda that you evidently have been spoon-fed throughout your education they are not one and the same.


An open minded, thinking person such as yourself should be able to realize that one can be anti-Zionistic and indeed anti-Israeli without being anti-Semitic.

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It IS a known fact that the Arabs drove the Jews from their home land. even the Arabs admit this much. if i throw all your sh*t out of your house and move in and live there for 20 years does it make it my house now?

the Arabs drove out the Jews in order to spread their religion. even if you dismiss the bible they were still there long before the Arabs! Israel is a tiny nation. the Arabs have almost the whole middle east to burn flags and blow sh*t up! every time they start some sh*t with the Jews they get their azz kicked but they don't seem to ever learn.
Arabs are a violent race. have been since the beginning of time. thankfully the world has Israel to slap them around now and then to keep them in line.

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Well you have certainly shocked me here, Smurf; I hadn't realized until now that you seem to be a bit of a racist.

Is it possible that you could document the Arabs as being "a violent race"? Or for that matter anything to support your positions?

In essence isn't it the Zionists who moved into someone else's house, threw all their sh*t out and moved in? In 1947? Could this be more relevant than events that occurred over 2000 (TWO THOUSAND) years ago?

I submit that contrary to Israeli propaganda the Arabs are the true victims and have every right to despise the Zionists, and by extension their patrons in the United States.

Please do not include me in the "blame America first" crowd: I am a proud American citizen and a patriot. However, a true patriot must admit when the government of his country is in error, and my country's actions in the Middle East for most of the past sixty five years, mainly in support of colonialist Great Britain have been wrongheaded indeed.
Thank you for your stimulating discussion...
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even within the Arab and Muslim nations the people are oppressed by their government. anybody know why?
its simple really. because the government knows that they could not control the people without resulting to brute force. this is the only way they can prevent chaos in a Muslim nation. Saddam knew how to keep power and order in Iraq. if you started acting stupid he made you disappear. not to just hold power but to keep the Arabs from mass genocide. works the same way now as then. Muslims are like 3 year old kids. if you turn your back they will be into all kinds of sh*t!

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Since your memory seems to be failing you at the moment perhaps some of things I mention will jog it a bit.


9/11

first world trade center bombing

USS Cole

Kohbar Towers

Marine Barracks

suicide bombers

cutting folks heads off on TV

using kids and women for suicide bombers

the brutal torture and eventual deaths of all the captured US soldiers in Iraq

beating a female rape victim




Does any of this ring a bell to where you might have heard a slight mention in passing about it? Plenty of evidence they are in general a violent group and culture.






Rex also if you check into Bible history you will find that Isaac (father of Israel) and Ishmael (father of Arabs) were half brothers. And the reasons why there would be fighting and hatred for the rest of their lives.

Read all about it here.

http://bibleresources.bible.com/pass...21&version1=48

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