God's Judgment of America

There are many, many blogs/articles being written about God judging America. But if God is the God who 'changes not,' then what he did to His ppl in the O.T. and even the last 2 thousand years will continue. When His ppl forgot His laws and became like the heathen around them, He not only used natural disasters to 'judge' them but also turned them over to their enemies.

We hear of Israel being under Roman occupation, and having rejected their Messiah, were then scattered over the earth; but why dont we hear about God's judging them under Hitler with the Holocost and even now in their land with their enemies surrounding them, ready to destroy them! Their rejection of their Messiah will bring them into ruin...and per the scriptures, only a 'remnant' will be saved.

We of the Christian America have 'forsaken' His laws and the words of His son and have perverted our ways in this country over the past 40 yrs. Do we think that we deserve His blessing anymore (God Bless America) by rejecting Him and His place in our country's foundations?

So we will continue to have natural disasters, and have to deal with our enemies (the Jihadists) as time marches on. I love this country, but almost dont know it anymore since I grew up, with the perversion and as the scripture says of the end times: "Calling Evil Good, and Good Evil." When something is really good today, the slang is 'Thats really Bad, man!' And the immoral lifestyles of the celebrities are now admired!

Sorry folks, but it's winding down.....

4got to add....

If God doesnt judge America, then He owes an 'apology' to Sodom & Gommorah...

I really think that there is very little understanding out there about "God's Judgement". God never promises to bless any nation outside of total obiedience to his law. In Galations the law is refered to as a curse. It is clear that every single son or daughter of Adam will be found gulity and face Gods wrath when judged by the law. Anyone who hopes to please God will be very sorry on that day if he is trusting in his deeds. Isaiah says in the bible that "Even our good deeds are as filthy rags in the sight of a holy God". It is impossible to escape judgement based on any good that we might think we have within ourselves. We are nothing but a mass of corruption sinful to the very core and haters of God in out natural state. So what can we hope for and how can we escape this horrible fate when we stand before God? God promises two things in this world. Justice or mercy. In his grace he has chosen his people who will recieve mercy. Not because of anything that they have done to earn mercy but in spite of everything they have done to earn judgement. He brings to life the dead heart of the sinner and grants him faith to believe and trust in his plan of redemption. It's faith alone in Christ alone that saves from Gods wrath. All this talk about God's blessing or judgement of nations is hogwash. Read the bible and you will have no doubt that the world stands condemmed under Gods judgement and wrath. Only those who are of the kingdom of God will escape judgement and recieve mercy. All those not will recieve justice. Make no mistake the kingdoms and nations of this earth never were and never will be found innocent and therefore blessed.

O.T. scripture says Psalm 33:12 "Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD.."

But the N.T also says: Galatians 2:16 "know that a man is not justified by observing the law {of Moses}, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified."

The main difference I have with your very good post (you're not too Crazy--ha ha), is that the world is already judged, but justice will not happen in 'this life,' but at the end of the age and in the life to come! That's why we see so much suffering in this life and the abuse of the innocents!

America has had favor upon it with its Christian roots...but, I dont see it as a Christian nation anymore! Just saying that you believe in God and claiming a denominational name is the same as going into a garage and calling yourself 'a car!' No so....it all comes down to an individual basis.

{Didnt finish replying to this 'old verse' used by many to speak of judgment}

Judgment with condemnation is not for 'the Righteous!.' The Righteous are those in right-standing with God (the N.T. says believers have this as a 'gift').

1) When God judged the earth with the flood, an Ark was built (designed by God, but built by the believers of the time)by Noah and family, and they escaped judgment. The 'covenant' afterwards was a rainbow, so as promising not to destroy life with water again.

2) God also told the Hebrews how to build the Ark of the Covenant, a promise of Him being their God, and placed His presence to lead/guide/protect them within it. But they had 'their' part, which was to follow His Laws.

3) And Jesus is called the ark of the New Covenant, designed by God as His son, and a promise to those born of the Spirit, with His only commandments of Love One Another, and Love the Lord, serving both for eternal life.

Now, after all that, we who are under the New Covenant and follow his 'Love walk' are not under the judgment of condemnation as those who reject His sacrifice on the cross---for they say in their hearts, that they have 'no need' of Him,' per their arrogance & folly!

One more thing that CC might appreciate with his scriptural astuteness:

The O.T. in Leviticus talks of 6 feasts that were to be celebrated. These were physical 'types and shadows' of spiritual things to come---God used 'the natural' in the O.T. to point to the spiritual in the N.T.

Some of these feast have already happened, and some are yet to come:

1) Passover and the Festival of Unleavened Bread---this feast has happened in the N.T. with the sacrifice of the Lamb of God, who was sinless, and whereby leaven' (yeast) indicates sin and is not used in making bread by the Jews during passover.

BTW, as a side note on a 'Type,' the original passover reqd that the Hebrews apply lambs blood across the door lintel and down along the door posts to escape the 'death angel'---this was a 'type' of making the bloody cross on wood per the crucifixion to come thousands of years later

2) Celebration of First Harvest---this feast has happened in the N.T. at the Day of Pentecost, when the Spirit came per the promise of Jesus, and the church actually began.

3) The Festival of Harvest---the feast is yet to come, it is the final harvest of believers.

4) The Festival of Trumpets---the feast is yet to come, trumpets represent angelic calling, many believe that this is 'the Rapture.'

5) The Day of Atonement---this feast is yet to come, many believe that it is the judgment, or tribulation...we call it "payback!'

6) The Festival of Shelters (Booths or Tabernacles)---this feast is yet to come,but is aimed at the believers. They were told in the O.T. to build shelters made with palm branches upon their house roofs and take food to spend 7 days in them. I believe that this is the shelter from the tribulation...God designed the booths (or tabernacles, also meaning arks) but they were each built by the believer---the palm branches were also along the inside walls of the Temple, and 7 days is a type of the 7 year tribulation. This is spiritual, and not literally physical as was the O.T. The believer is taken care of and protected by the life in Christ that he/she has built and will not be judged during the 7 year tribulation.

The day and times of these feasts were reqd 'in order' and so one can see 'the plan of God' by them...

As the scripture said in the N.T., 'God does not live in a physical temple built by human hands,' but in the hearts of His church.

So, again, judgment & condemnation are not for the believer (however, they will be rewarded for their works), and so those of faith (and their families) need not worry about the end times. Remember, righteous Lot and his family were taken out of Sodom and spared the judgment of fire.

Good post I enjoyed reading it.

Gezz, Jam you sure are sounding like Rev Wright. God Damn America.


Jam, if the United States were truly a Christian, then Slavery, racism, etc wouldn't be a big issue.

Very observant, but wrong for todays 'sins' of a nation.

America already had a war where many died over slavery. You might call that judgment(?!. Racism will always exist to a certain extent---it is not sanctioned by the U.S. Govt, but is individual in context.

However, per the scripture about the end times, "calling bad good, and good bad" has been legislated (ref Abortion, turning our backs on God by removing prayer, soon to legalize Gay marriage, etc.) and is Govt authored & 'blessed,' and does condemn a nation as a symptom of the poor morals that exist in this country. I.E. turning our back on God and His precepts!

but, hey, I'm just "the messenger"....dont blame me...

You are right and wrong. The injustices from the war's aftermath have not fully solved.
You have state that racism (or other forms of ill expression of a group) are not sanctioned by the government. I would strongly disagree because you are not taking in account for American forigen policy or trade policy.

A good example is the CIA topple of a democratically elected Iranian government in 1953 for Oil. In my view, if Iran was an Eurporean Nation, it wouldn't happen.

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Originally Posted by jamwadmag However, per the scripture about the end times, "calling bad good, and good bad" has been legislated (ref Abortion, turning our backs on God by removing prayer, soon to legalize Gay marriage, etc.) and is Govt authored & 'blessed,' and does condemn a nation as a symptom of the poor morals that exist in this country. I.E. turning our back on God and His precepts!

For myself, I agree with you tsomewhat. The gay marriage issue is something I oppose STRONGLY. The abortion issue, I against partial-birth abortion, and do not see anything wrong with removing daily prayers in schools. Not everyone has the same religion nor religious values.

Prayer in school..

Prayer in school is a tough issue. But it's funny how for "my generation," we did in elementary school, with Jewish kids and me raised Catholic, having to say a Protestant 'Our Father' prayer (we couldnt say "for thine is the kingdom and power and glory forever' at the end! There are 2 versions of that prayer in the Gospels--only one has that final verse. We survived all that 'religious persecution' with NO effect!! We accepted the differences and just moved on in life.

The main problem with taking prayer out of school, is that we also took God out of school (and as a result, out of our society!). And as scripture says, "Knowledge without Understanding' will not yield 'Wisdom." So we now have a generation of ppl who have 'raw' knowledge of the things in this world, but no understanding of what it means and how to use for society's benefit, and therefore no wisdom---becoming as fools! We, in America, now have a generation of spiritually bankrupt, hi-tech, face-to-face socially-isolated via the Inet, and self-focused on 'ME' and my wants/desires/etc. Compare today's youth with the WWII generation, who thought nothing of sacrifice (having come thru the Depression) with strong American values as to today's spoiled over-aged kids.....I almost dont recognize this country from the one I grew up in.

So a Godless society is better than the one that was the foundation of this great country?!! As the scripture says, "professing themselves to be wise, they have become as fools."

I think that just acknowledging 'God,' with a period of silence and meditation is sufficient. For Christians it is Jesus the Christ, Jews is Yahweh, for Muslims is Allah, Buddhists is Buddha, etc.. For Agnostics & Atheists it is 'the power of knowledge' where man is the center of worship....<the 'religion' of Fools!>