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Fall Of The American Empire Discuss the ways in which America is falling. The Roman Empire never had this chance to discuss their own downfall, we do...what do you think? Immorality, gay marriage, political correctness, selfishness, hatred, rage, complete and utter apathy is going to destroy America, period. Let's watch it happen and talk about how and why it's happening here!

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American principles.
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American principles.

America was founded on a set of principles, some that where based on religious beliefs, other countries follow and have there governments based on religious beliefs that have been part of there countries for hundreds of years.
America has a principle that there should be a separation between church and state, but that does not mean that the American government should turn its back on the morel principals that this country was founded on.
When the Democrats talk of being “progressive” what they imply is that vocal minority groups should be given whatever rights they ask for even if those rights are in direct conflict with the beliefs of the majority of the country.
Let the vocal minority groups stand with the progressive Democrat party and let the Republican Party stand for the time-honored morel principals that this country was founded on than let the American people vote. The majority wins; I thought that was the way thing worked, if the Republican party wins and the members of vocal minority groups do not like it than they can pick a country that has laws supporting there way of life and move there.
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America was founded on a set of principles
I love those

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some that where based on religious beliefs
Wrong, the religious motto, ''In god we trust'' only gained that status under Dwight D.Eisenhower. The United States were formed mainly by Deist and Atheists, influenced the the Age of Enlightenment, a product of a large European philosophical movement mainly breeded by the left.

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other countries follow and have there governments based on religious beliefs that have been part of there countries for hundreds of years.
Such as? Government Secularism is a very common phenomenon in the free world.

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America has a principle that there should be a separation between church and state, but that does not mean that the American government should turn its back on the morel principals that this country was founded on.
I already said why this is not really true. While the United States have a Judeo-Christian culture, it was founded on the concept of ''We the People'', not ''In God we trust''. The Declaration of Independence itself was a radical cut with the head of the English Church, the King.

The real moral principles of the United States have always been freedom (especially freedom of religion) and the belief of democracy (Democracy being the system when even members of the minority have the right to have their opinions taken into consideration).

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When the Democrats talk of being “progressive” what they imply is that vocal minority groups should be given whatever rights they ask for even if those rights are in direct conflict with the beliefs of the majority of the country.
Let the vocal minority groups stand with the progressive Democrat party and let the Republican Party stand for the time-honored morel principals that this country was founded on than let the American people vote. The majority wins; I thought that was the way thing worked, if the Republican party wins and the members of vocal minority groups do not like it than they can pick a country that has laws supporting there way of life and move there.
This is the core of the problem. What you are saying here is completly opposed to the raison d'ętre of the American Republic. The reason why people have the right to vote and take part into the democratic prossess is quite essential to the moral well being of any democracy. By only serving a self defined minority, you propose the creation of second class citizens and the complete immobilisation of the American ideological platform.

The ''minorities'' are formed of American citizens and have the right to make demands to the government, as they are a part of the United States. ''We the People'', is the key to understand this. As a part of this people, they have their say and if they can get enough elected officials to approve their demands, then the system is alive and responding. If they dont get enough, it is also a sign that the system works. The only thing that matters is that the system does not because Static, which seems to be what you want.

If things went your way, be aware of what it means to the Democratic process. Had the United States been so Ideologically static, slavery would still be legal, women would not vote and, more importantly, the country would have had never been formed. It was a minority of Colonists who first leaded the movement to independance and it is because of those men, those Deists, Atheist and Christians that your country exists.
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