[Kalamity Jane]

Originally Posted by attitude:)

Shame is an emotion we have when we know we have done something wrong. It can take years to show up, but show up it does.

Shame is something that is taught hand in hand with guilt....both are used to control...

There are many ways to view the issue of Abortion...but forcing your personal view of religion onto another persons body is not your place...and trying to tell me that a zygot is a person isn't going to impress me....I'm old enough to remember when a test for viability of a pregnancy was quikening..in other cultures the life is counted upon a live birth...

Regardless of your views on the subject...it is a womans choice.

KJ

[Kalamity Jane]

Here's the results of a new study .....

Source: MSNBC

LONDON - Women are just as likely to get an abortion in countries where it is outlawed as they are in countries where it is legal, according to research published Friday.

In a study examining abortion trends from 1995 to 2003, experts also found that abortion rates are virtually equal in rich and poor countries, and that half of all abortions worldwide are unsafe.

The study was done by Gilda Sedgh of the Guttmacher Institute in the United States and colleagues from the World Health Organization. It was published in an edition of The Lancet medical journal devoted to maternal health.



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There you go....this research shows that you cannot reduce abortion if you make it illegal.

KJ

[attitude:)]

I simply call it what it is rather than trying to find a way to make oneself feel good about it. The word is "murder>"

[Kalamity Jane]

I don't know if you looked at the link...somehow I think you didn't.

They did a study of women around the world in different countries...some abortion was legal some it wasn't....and the article was what they found...I thought you might be interested...

KJ

[attitude:)]

Originally Posted by Kalamity Jane

I don't know if you looked at the link...somehow I think you didn't.

They did a study of women around the world in different countries...some abortion was legal some it wasn't....and the article was what they found...I thought you might be interested...

KJ

Yes, and it gets back to the orginal part of my discussion. When a person is in trouble, financially, b/f left them whatever the reason for considering abortion, they are making a decision under stress. If there weren't all these pro abortion people telling them to just have an abortion, that it's not a baby anyways, there would be far fewer abortions. The women that aren't endangered or killed during the procedure, still have to live with the consequences and emotionally this is showing up at epidemic proportions. It's not really "hitting home" until many years later. So you have this woman, made a decision under pressure, things go fine for years, then wham, years later it hits them and they're a mess.

I wish I had a dime for every woman that has said she felt pressure to have an abortion and would give anything if she had known what she was really doing

[Smurf-316]

I'm pro choice.
I don't see what gives the gov the right to tell a woman what to do with her body.

[Kalamity Jane]

Originally Posted by Smurf-316

I'm pro choice.
I don't see what gives the gov the right to tell a woman what to do with her body.

When the Government is informed by one groups religious views it feels it has the right to do all kinds of things...one more reason the Church needs to be separated from the Government...

Ones views are protected...but legislating them is something else..

KJ

[Kalamity Jane]

I should have added that the article I posted above shows that making abortion illegal doesn't change anything...it just kills women...other things like good health care and available birth control are needed.

KJ

[Kalamity Jane]

These are the kind of people Bush appoints.....and a little about their policy....

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Contraception Foe Named to Contraception Post


Laura Meckler reports on Health and Human Services.
The Department of Health and Human Services appointed Susan Orr — who has spoken out against contraception — to a post responsible for U.S. contraception programs.
Orr, who will be acting deputy assistant secretary for population affairs, has been directing child welfare programs in another branch of HHS. Prior to joining the Bush administration, Orr was senior director for marriage and family at the Family Research Council, a conservative group that favors abstinence-only education and opposes federal money for contraception.
In 2001, she was quoted in the Washington Post favoring a Bush administration plan to drop a requirement that health insurance plans for federal employees cover a broad range of birth control.



This woman doesn't believe in birth control.

KJ

[Antiochus]

Originally Posted by WiseOne

EXCELLENT question! I wonder the same thing. That's true, an animal (and illegal alien) has far more rights in America than a fetus has to be sure. What say you, you liberal pricks?

A) Im a Progressist Lefty, and I dont mind about abortions for animals. I have yet to meet anyone who has a problem with that. Its like if you assume that everyone on the left refuse to eat meat (Im big on carne food).

B) The reason most Libs are pro-choice is mostly due to two realities. First, its because abortions are not a new phenomenon, but since it was illegal, it was done by anyone who had a long, sharp object or some type of poison, which would kill both the mother and the fetus, or only main the fetus that would be born with a birth defect as a result. The second reason is that we dont believe that someone should have to pay during her whole life for a mistake like having unprotected sex. If a mother is not ready to love her child or in no position to raise it (like lets say most underaged mother who get shamelessly rejected by their puritain parents), then I am not the one who should force her to have a baby.