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Politics Tyrants have always collected as much information as possible on their civilians (or serfs or slaves). The more information they have the easier it is to exert control. The control comes in many forms - from the elimination of dissidents to appeasement politics - but in all cases the more information available the more predictable the response.

So how much information does your government keep on you?

We can start with the basics: name, birth date, social security numbers, income, place of work, religion, education, etc. All of this information most people hand over to the government during [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Political Forum Link. . It is, after all your civic duty (to obey). What other information are they collecting to help enhance the census?

The US Census Bureau plans to capture the latitude and longitude of the front door of every house, apartment and improvised shelter in America. This will be done by an army of [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Political Forum Link. and dusty, dirt road in America armed with a handheld GPS device.

So they know who is living in the house (or impoverished shelter) and exactly where the front door is located. A picture sure would be nice.

The Calgary-based company, [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Political Forum Link. , is now in the process of [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Political Forum Link. in the United States. "That means every house, commercial building, industrial and institutional structure is being photographed and appraised property-by-property and street-by-street". This process is [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Political Forum Link. the photos are taken from public spaces and anyone (to the delight of all peeping toms, pedophiles, stalker, rapists, thieves, tyrants, etc.) willing to pay can access their database. This compliments the [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Political Forum Link. of your property as well.

Scary? It gets worse.

Your new North American ID card will contain your fingerprints and other biometric data like retinal scans. This will be pushed through as a new high-tech drivers license in the US under the [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Political Forum Link. or in Canada as a Hegelian [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Political Forum Link. with the American demand for a passport to cross the border. This of course is a [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Political Forum Link. in Canada, but the time seems right to push it through.

Any tyrant would agree that you cannot ignore the children.

European Union children, [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Political Forum Link. , will be subjected to compulsory fingerprinting under European Union rules being drawn up in secret. The prints will be stored on a database which could be shared with countries around the world. Of course this bad idea can only be [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Political Forum Link. . European Union ministers of justice and ministers of the interior have proposed a pan-European network of fingerprint and DNA databases.

DNA? The European Union is not alone in that regard either.

In Britain, [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Political Forum Link. have their DNA recorded in a national DNA database. This database now includes [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Political Forum Link. in Edinburgh and the Lothians (with plans to expand). Each file will be closed when the child reaches 16, but it will then be kept on record for up to 75 years.

[LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Political Forum Link. [that is over [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Political Forum Link. people] will be able to access the files to check for signs of abuse. If the child is regularly late for school or their behaviour changes dramatically, the details could be put into the system where it is hoped it will build up a picture of the child's overall welfare.”

And on this side of the pond, the US may soon be collecting DNA of all suspected criminals, even if they are proven to be [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Political Forum Link. .

Sadly, this is an incomplete list of the information ([LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Political Forum Link. , financial history, credit rating, [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Political Forum Link. , …) that is being stored on every civilian (or serf or slave) in the western world. But no need to worry, the new ID cards will be [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Political Forum Link. to make “protecting” your information that much easier. If this complete invasion of your privacy does not make your blood boil, then you should just let them [LINK POSTED BY MEMBER] Only Members Can View This Political Forum Link. .

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Big Brother is watching you!!

Oh no, its the boogey-man.

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Big Brother is watching you!!

Oh no, its the boogey-man.

LOL
Gotta go with freight on this one (regardless of his sources and info). I don't even like my picture taken by friends and make a point of it not happening.
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What better way to track you than through manditory government controlled medical care. When this great idea of universial healthcare finally becomes real, how long do you think it will be before they start implanting you with microchips to track who you are are, and what ever other information they need/want to have.


But I also agree with frieght on this one. Walmart, Google, Krogers even great clips stores personal indiviual information about you. Good Morning America did a special on Walmart the other day. They have National Statistics on every aspect of life, based on how people shop at Walmart. And if you think about how many times you pay for something at Walmart with an ATM or check, you know they have personal information about you.

I went to a Great Clips the other day. I've been there a couple of times over a 3 year period, but it isn't my normal place I go. I walk in, gave my phone number and they had everything about me on that computer. What was funny was the girl that cut my hair a year ago was there and they assigned her to me again. I didn't know this until I sat down and she told me she was the one that did it last time. It kind of creeped me out, but she had big ##### so I didn't complain.
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What exactly would be the benefit to the government to know where 300 million people are?

How big of a secret bunker would they need to carry out this "mission"

As far as giving out phone numbers, you are under no obligation to give that to anyone, especially for a haircut. When asked to give my number, I inform them I do not have any phones. Get funny looks but it works.
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These were examples of how our society and business keep track of you. If you use an ATM, if you write a check you are being tracked. If you use a grocery store discount card your being tracked, if you're using a gas station rewards card your being tracked. Some of this information means nothing to most, but putting it all togeather you can learn a lot about a person.

Let's say one of the requirement for Hillarycare is for all participants, which includes everyone since it's manditory, would be required to have a microchip implant for convience and time saving. Would you want to do it? If not... why not? Answer that question and you answerd the question you asked me. There's no doubt in my mind that would be a realistic scenerio. I just read that one way hillary would enforce this mandatory insurance coverage would be through employment. You want a job, you have to play by her rules. How will they know, if you have an implant your part of the program. Your life is now dependent on what's on that microchip. For the religious folks, does this sound familar?
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These were examples of how our society and business keep track of you. If you use an ATM, if you write a check you are being tracked. If you use a grocery store discount card your being tracked, if you're using a gas station rewards card your being tracked. Some of this information means nothing to most, but putting it all togeather you can learn a lot about a person.

Let's say one of the requirement for Hillarycare is for all participants, which includes everyone since it's manditory, would be required to have a microchip implant for convience and time saving. Would you want to do it? If not... why not? Answer that question and you answerd the question you asked me. There's no doubt in my mind that would be a realistic scenerio. I just read that one way hillary would enforce this mandatory insurance coverage would be through employment. You want a job, you have to play by her rules. How will they know, if you have an implant your part of the program. Your life is now dependent on what's on that microchip. For the religious folks, does this sound familar?
First of all, the ACLU would have a field day with the mandatory microchipping scenario.
Secondly, how would someone like me who is self employed be required to get "chipped" as a product of me working?
Thirdly, not all people work, are you going to microchip every stay at home Mom in the country?

A little too much of a Gestapo scenario to fit in real life.
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What exactly would be the benefit to the government to know where 300 million people are?

How big of a secret bunker would they need to carry out this "mission"

As far as giving out phone numbers, you are under no obligation to give that to anyone, especially for a haircut. When asked to give my number, I inform them I do not have any phones. Get funny looks but it works.
I got some people at Home despot really peed at mye once. they were demanding zip codes from people before they would ring you up. Heres how it went. "can I have your zip code number"

"No"

"Well I can't ring you up unless I have one."

"Yes you can"

"no I can't"

I pulled out some cash and read the part about legal tender. she called her boss over and I threatened to call the police and then sue them and asked whether they thought they had a snow balls chance of winning and not paying court costs and what the probability of a class action was on this?

She and her boss shut up and I walked out after they rang it up and said that I didn't want it anymore and was going to Lowes.

it got pretty heated when I announced to everybody with in earshot that they didn't need to give any information and that this company was trying to refuse cash.

I left happy and never saw that checker again and they never asked me for a zip again either.

Now I am on the other side. I encourage every one I know to sign up for grocery store cards and then sign up for our band boosters fund raiser. Every time they use their discount card we get some money.
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First of all, the ACLU would have a field day with the mandatory microchipping scenario.
Would the ACLU have a problem with it? I don't know. the ACLU is very selective about what the fight against. I have no trust in the ACLU, or expect them to represent me as an American.

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Secondly, how would someone like me who is self employed be required to get "chipped" as a product of me working?
As for being self employed, that's a good question. Hillary hasn't provided the full details on how she will enforce this manaditory healthcare on the self employed. But considering it will be manditory for everyone I'm confident she will find away.

How do they enforce self employed to pay federal taxes?

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Thirdly, not all people work, are you going to microchip every stay at home Mom in the country?

A little too much of a Gestapo scenario to fit in real life.

The Gestapo was real, and yes it could happen again.

Now all this is worse case scenerio, but to think that this is not a possblitity is nieve. In fact thinking of the Clinton's it's scary what the possbilities could be if the government gains contol of healthcare.

You seem like a person that has be walked through the details to understand the risks associated with this type program.
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I have heard that there are, already, concentration camps being made in America. I had one site bookmarked showing proof of this but can't find it now. I did find this site: Modern Concentration Camps. That is really interesting. Wonder what Hillary would use them for? I think deep inside, Stalin is Hillary's hero.
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